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@Moosader That's how I got into emacs back in 199...3? It was on a list of commands to compile my first C program.
(A quote from another student when I TA'd later: "What are 'emacs' and how do I access them?")
@Moosader WOMAN: You can’t give her that. It’s not safe.
DEATH, dressed as Santa: It’s an Emacs. It’s not meant to be safe.
MAN: She’s a child.
DEATH: It’s educational.
MAN: What if she can’t get out?
DEATH: That will be an important lesson.
@Moosader yes! ha ha ha! yes! back in school I always felt like the professors weren't creative enough with their weedout courses
@aeva I'm not trying to weed them out I feel like I'm fighting the constant abstraction of software hiding how everything works so they're not learning Computer Science, especially when other teachers have them coding inside their ZyBooks web textbook and not in a real IDE. 
@aeva they can barely navigate the filesystem or know what a file or folder is. At least the ones I have to help a lot.
@Moosader I can't decide if I should be horrified for the future or giddy about my job security in the coming decades
@Moosader or is this like just the freshmen o_o
@aeva well another CS200 teacher is having them code in the textbook. Then they get to my CS235 or CS250 then I gotta cover all the basics for THEM, too.
@Moosader @aeva and I think we should be clear that this *isn't their fault* - modern OS design tries to hide "where things are" from the user as much as possible via prominent search, "favourite/recent items" lists and so on. We explicitly spend half of our first lab of 6 just working on "where are things on a computer and how do you navigate this thing" for a reason.
@aoanla @aeva yeah, from my other thread -
https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@Moosader/113983322242929900
@Moosader wait what they don't actually run their code?!!!!
@Moosader im too used to vim (and now helix) this would kill my diploma lol
@wallabra emacs+Spacemacs has vim bindings :)
@Moosader yeah Ive heard of evil mode :D
nowadays i mostly use helix cause its fast and i like its keybindings way more than vim's while still being modal, might be worth a glance