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@mdb @technomancy @jfred @cwebber I think "freedom" here has the libertarian meaning, kinda a "muh guns" vibe but for source code. They say that you're being freed from the control of corporations, but 99% of the time you're still at the mercy of other people's decisions anyway (eg gnome 3's controversial makeover, systemd, and so on).

aeva

@mdb @technomancy @jfred @cwebber empowerment on the other hand is a concept that is broad and wonderful, and something that freedom programmers neither have the monopoly on nor does their software intrinsically embody it.

software is empowering when it enables people to pursue their dreams and live their lives as they like and support their communities and so on.

@mdb @technomancy @jfred @cwebber source code is only empowering to programmers and aspiring programmers, and I think that's where a lot of freedom programmers get stuck, because if you fixate too hard on that the only way to broaden your movement's reach is to insist that everyone to become programmers so they can become just as empowered as you are.

@mdb @technomancy @jfred @cwebber of course the two concepts are compatible. for example the federated web is not empowering because it is generally built on open standards and open source code (it exists that way by necessity), its empowering when people are able to build communities on it that then control their own infrastructure and are able to effectively self moderate.