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@memoriesin8bit@mastodon.gamedev.placeI have had nothing but good experiences on #Mastodon so far, but the comments to this post below is genuinely the level of low why I left Twitter.
Coincidentally it's also the same kinda crap that makes it so hard for people getting into the FOSS community. Cause it's the same BS there. Extremism in ANY direction is fucking awful.
https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@godotengine/113177931856961903
@memoriesin8bit I mean, some people that were toxic on Twitter just moved here instead. I'm not surprised, but still a little disappointed. I expected people to at least read their blog announcement or something, instead of giving a reactionary take just because they read "Meta" in the post.
making NOKOMA @memoriesin8bit People should mind their own business and just be happy that Godot is accessible to more platforms!
@memoriesin8bit fun fact : my instance is very careful about other instances not doing a good enough moderation job... Thus I don't see any aggressive reactions to the toot, as the authors' instances probably are already limited by mine.
@memoriesin8bit @godotengine people mad about Meta for ethical reasons are gonna be in for a surprise if they investigate what Microsoft had been up to!
@memoriesin8bit I'm tempted to leave just to get away from the huge amount of people saying this place blows.
@shram86 I am sorry to have contributed to the pile and I usually don't do that (you can confirm that yourself if you don't believe it).
For what it's worth, I don't think the place blows and I tried to highlight that with the first words of my post. But people be people I guess.
@memoriesin8bit not your fault - the internet is the internet no matter where you go
@memoriesin8bit Imho the fedi is unfiltered in many ways. There’s some good aspects of this, like the freedom from platform manipulation. Twitter, Meta, etc are notorious for propaganda and manipulation. You know the drill.
The downside is that all of this is down to us to drive and run and make into what we want it to be. No corporate money to do good not bad.
The problem, imho, is that it all grew too fast and a lot of people were sold on something the fedi very much isn’t. This isn’t a twitter before Musk type of thing.
So now we have the people endlessly (not you, you wrote a single measured post) just want to complain about the fedi (and it just sounds like certain political parties saying the government is bad and then get into power to do everything to ruin things). It’s exhausting and not adding anything.
Then we have the very unfiltered people who don’t get filtered out by algorithms. Bad because it can be exhausting. But good because the algorithm can equally silence people.
So, back to: This place is what we make it to be. That and the software is written by a few very very small teams. This isn’t at all ready for prime time imho. It’s hobby level (if that makes sense).
I think it’s fine to suggest things, and I think it’s fine to leave. I don’t think it’s fine to make life difficult for others.
Also, I think it might be healthy if we split the network more. But that’s kind of a longer story. But I think communities are more important than some giant everyone can reach everyone idea (that only is useful for those with big followings).
(N.B. The above is probably a bit disjointed. Sorry about that. Usually I just delete things when it feels like that, but I’ll let it stand. Read it as a bunch of thoughts, not an article :))
@yon I can't write as much from my instance - which is good because I am not good with that.
I agree with much here except maybe: Is the perceived negativity really because a lack of algorithm (shadowbans) or the kind of people a network attracts? It's easy to say "it's the internet - people act like shit", but at the end of the day it doesn't matter if the end result is a shitty experience.
@memoriesin8bit I simply think it grew too fast. I got in pretty late, but at the very beginning of the first big migration over. Things were very distinctly different then.
There is a *lot* more aggressiveness now, and it’s tiring. I’d venture to say you’d agree with that.
Solution? Not 100% sure. It’s tricky. I think personalized algorithms would be a very cool idea, but I’m not so sure it would help against this.
I honestly think people might be happier if things split. That and I have some ideas about clusters of servers. But that again is a lot of disjointed though so from decades of thinking about this :)
@yon I don't think splitting would be a good idea as the fractured nature is already the biggest point of criticism this network gets. I'd think better moderation would be a start as it might help people to behave better in the long run. But that would require the same rules on ALL servers and that will never happen.
@memoriesin8bit Imho, and many disagree with me, but it’s that monolith that makes me stay away from other social media. That whole top down driven thing.
Now, I’m by no means an anarchist nor a libertarian. I just think in some instances that oversight is worse than the result. Like a HOA for instance.
I do think moderation is a very key part though and wholly agree on that. Which includes better tools (the most thoughtful criticism of the various fedi software has come from server owners and mods imho). I just don’t think 100% agreeing is a good thing.
Again, I fully don’t support some misguided idea of “my free speech!”. I don’t find racism, bigotry, harassment , etc acceptable. And I wouldn’t want to be connected to a server who doesn’t think that too (might see where I’m going with this), but there’s a ton of local rules and styles and ideas that shouldn’t be removed by a top ruling imho.
There are some very well moderated servers out there, and the experience there is great! So it is possible.
Another idea I’ve had (remember, just a dude with zero power having ideas here, I don’t get to decide anything :) If I did I would be a lot more precise and careful with how I present anything) would be to badge servers.
Let’s say if your server agrees to a subset of rules, it could get the LGBT+ friendly badge. This is earned and will be taken away if not living up to the rules. It doesn’t say anything about other rules. But it gives a clear and strong indication.
A server dedicated to let’s say video games or anime could obviously have the LGBT+ badge. But a server intended as a safe haven for LGBT+ could choose to only federate with badged servers. A white list (which I am sure you know what it is:)).
Think of it as a slow way to change certain parts of the culture and what is acceptable. And building on existing tools (you can already decide who to federate with).