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Me:
> I am a very happy user of an old ENOX 42" TV, very much not-"smart".
>
> I am looking to replace it. Was hoping I would find some non-"smart" options from a manufacturer whose similar product I own and am happy with.
ENOX:
> It is not smart to go for a non-smart TV anymore 
Well, calling your customers dumb is certain *a* strategy, not sure if it's a good one. 
@rysiek I was looking for such an unicorn for years and came up with zero results. The whole market is just flavors of Android now. So I had to go more radical, found the schematics for mine, opened it and unsoldered the wifi part. I did void the warranty but I think it was worth it.
@villewilson ha! smart! I need to consider this.
the other option is some "professional displays" like this one:
https://iiyama.com/gl_en/products/prolite-lh5541uhs-b2/
but these tend to be more expensive than "smart" TVs 
@rysiek @villewilson
I got a smart TV, plugged it in to the wired Ethernet for config, never gave it any WiFi passwords, and haven’t plugged it in since. Poor thing gives weird errors being perpetually offline, but totally worth it.
@inthehands @rysiek @villewilson
I can't stand its constant nagging.
@inthehands @rysiek @villewilson My new Samsung is being remarkably silent on the fact that I never let it have any network.
My solution is just to use a computer monitor. They all have HDMI input nowadays, and mostly they don't have the frame-rate-increasing feature which I find utterly loathsome to watch. Then you can hang your Roku dongle or whatever, or even a mini-PC set up as a media center, off the HDMI port.
I set up my Dad's minimally-smart TV so his Roku dongle is powered off the TV's USB port, so it's cut off when the TV isn't on.
@publius @rysiek @villewilson Doesn't a Roku spy on you just as much as a TV?
Probably. But you can unplug it.
@publius@mastodon.sdf.org @rysiek@mstdn.social @villewilson@mastodon.gamedev.place computer monitors aren't safe either.
RE: https://infosec.exchange/users/SwiftOnSecurity/statuses/113342310749455909
@AnachronistJohn @villewilson @publius @rysiek @puppygirlhornypost2 I heard some of these monitors talk to each other so they can rat you out through your neighbors device. Sorry I have no reference for this.
@poleguy @villewilson @publius @rysiek @puppygirlhornypost2 That seems to be the reason why PoE “Ring” doorbell cameras are actively discouraged. They explicitly want everyone to use wifi, and they assume nobody will opt out of sharing your connection with other “Ring” devices.
@rysiek @villewilson I suspect monitors are more expensive because the manufacturer gets no marketing data to sell.
@rysiek@mstdn.social @villewilson@mastodon.gamedev.place Be careful with that, I have some Samsung TVs at work that were purchased as "professional/commercial" displays. They still have the ability to connect to the network and they come with some preloaded apps like YouTube. Not sure you can just get a dumb tv that only lets you select from a couple of inputs anymore.
@villewilson @rysiek Ideal would be replacing the software.
@dalias @villewilson ideal would be not having to do any of that, actually.