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@mekkaokereke @james the fact that I've wanted a way to subscribe to blocklists on Mastodon as a kind of "web of trust" feature that would be EASIEST to do with ActivityPub since

y'know

publishing payloads is KIND OF THE THING

and BlueSky just like does that from the jump...

It's baffling to me. That Mastodon has resisted this kind of idea for this long, I mean.

@root @mekkaokereke @james Bluesky has been a joy to use these last few days. Mastodon better do something soon

@serapath @bbmin7b5 @root @mekkaokereke @james

"we should educate people" is doomed from the start. People don't need to use Mastodon for their job or to get government services. They are on socials for fun--they aren't going to take a class to learn how to make it work for them! Either it's easy and fun or it isn't.

"must show commitment to federation by putting up with broken shit" could be a valid entry requirement to keep out the shallow riff-raff if you want a more exclusive club. But you can't at the same time complain people would rather go somewhere else.

@dveditz @bbmin7b5 @root @mekkaokereke @james

fair enough.

now the thing is, many people are ...something

naive?broken?privileged?... you name it.

The "mainstream" loves "pop music" even though the industry is abusive and all the people supporting it without knowing.
You could say the same about capitalism.

Now the thing is, at least those who learn more should lead by good example to be connected to their peers in better ways and keep doors open for others to join.

@dveditz @bbmin7b5 @root @mekkaokereke @james

it's always the early adopters who see a vision who do it first and when everyone that made the old/previous place worth being there has left to the new place, those same uninspired that only go anywhere when it's FUN ...will follow, because they then recognize the FUN is in the new place.

People who only operate on the level of "fun" will definitely not ever be early adopters - they just dont understand much what things are about in this context

@serapath @dveditz @bbmin7b5 @root @james

Serapath, you've understood zero of what I posted and are without irony, doing exactly what I said in my original reply:
* You're not talking at all about how to make Mastodon better
* You're making unsupported claims about what the motivations of people that chose BlueSky are, based on your biased assumptions about what motivated them.

For example, you're going off about BlueSky marketing budget, when their user spikes are not based on marketing.
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@serapath @dveditz @bbmin7b5 @root @james

You're making unsupported claims about people who like fun are never early adopters. What? That's so silly I don't even know how to start to address it.

Your making silly claims about people who like pop music. Like, what?

You lack empathy, and you don't even pretend to listen to why people make the choices that they do, so you have no hope of understanding it. I'm not going to try to persuade you to listen to people, or to improve Mastodon.

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@mekkaokereke @dveditz @bbmin7b5 @root @james

I'm just sharin my opinion/observation.

I'm open to hear how you would approach improving the situation?

I can only see the most progressive discussing to figure out whats best or better, then adopting it and spreading the word.

@serapath @dveditz @bbmin7b5 @root @james

No, you're not sharing your "observations." Because you haven't even bothered to observe. You're sharing your biases and preconceived notions about people you view as inferior to you.

Take a few moments to read the conversations about the lack of starter packs and shared blocklists on Mastodon, and why those are so important for community. Observe. Empathize.

Then read that the Mastodon team *is* building these features, but going is slow. Funding...

@mekkaokereke @dveditz @bbmin7b5 @root @james

I am making statements about bluesky.
You are making statements about me.

biases, preconceived notions ...and argue about superiority and inferiority.

If you like hiking, you might prefer a national park over a crowded city... so in the context of hiking, hikers might say cities are inferior to crowded cities.

People have other reasons for choosing cities.

I said stuff about bluesky, not people.

@serapath @dveditz @bbmin7b5 @root @james

🤔"many people are ...something naive?broken?privileged?... you name it."

🤔"People who only operate on the level of "fun" will definitely not ever be early adopters - they just dont understand much what things are about in this context"

This is you saying things about people.

In my thread about improving Mastodon and having empathy for why people choose BlueSky.

And yes, I said stuff about you. Specifically, that you without irony, did a Mastodon.

@mekkaokereke @dveditz @bbmin7b5 @root @james

Alright. Appreciate it.
I dont wanna fight.

Would not recommend bluesky nor do i really understand people opting for bluesky.

Agree mastodon is broken and should be improved. Prefer nostr and would love to see peer to peer and move beyond fediverse, but not towards bluesky (thats the opposite direction).

I feel ppl who follow tech should try to educate people who are mainly here for content and communication and dont know much about the tech

@mekkaokereke @dveditz @bbmin7b5 @root @james

...educating them about the tech and the pros/cons they might not be aware of, such as implicitly empowering VCs and billionaires when their intention is to get away from those, but they werent aware that bluesky is again just that.

Who - if not tech savy people - can share that information? ..that's it.

I myself am happy for people fighting the good fight and sharing the facts i might not know because it might be about a field i dont know much

@mekkaokereke @dveditz @bbmin7b5 @root @james

I agree that mastodon should have starter lists and blocklists and probably a lot of more features.

I personally would rather see more of cblgh.org/trustnet/ in general and true peer to peer.

I am on mastodon and like it because it is more decentralized than bluesky.

Sure - VC funded platforms will offer features users want to convince them over and get network effect (=lock in effect)

bluesky can always revert in the future. they control

cblgh.orgtrustnet — alexander cobleigh / cblgh.orgmaster's thesis research into subjective, trust-based moderation systems