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Yann Büchau :nixos:<p>For quite some time I have sporadically run <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/mbsync" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>mbsync</span></a> configured to pull several IMAP accounts and it indeed brings in emails. BUT: </p><p>- <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/maildir" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>maildir</span></a> format is weird. What's with the cur/new/tmp structure?<br>- why the heck is the hostname in the filenames?<br>- Feels like it doesn't like to be migrated and be continued from somewhere else.<br>- two-way sync seems to be kinda broken (not needed anyway)<br>- Holy cow is the configuration unnecessarily verbose and complicated 🤯 (should be well <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/nix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>nix</span></a>-able though)</p>
Timo Geusch<p>Any recommendations for a tool that can detect duplicate emails either in a <a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/tags/MailDir" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MailDir</span></a> or on an <a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/tags/imap" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>imap</span></a> server and ideally remove them?<br>“Someone” made a boo-boo when trying to get to the bottom of an mbsync and now has several Maildirs full of email in quadruplicate.</p><p><a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/tags/email" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>email</span></a> <a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/tags/SelfHosted" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SelfHosted</span></a></p>
Adam ♿<p>What do you use for backing up <a href="https://aus.social/tags/IMAP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>IMAP</span></a> (specifically, IMAP4) and keeping that backup up to date? <a href="https://aus.social/tags/Maildir" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Maildir</span></a> or <a href="https://aus.social/tags/mbox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>mbox</span></a> format preferred, in that order.</p>
LorenAmelang<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/@jon" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>jon</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/@Vivaldi" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Vivaldi</span></a></span> I have four current servers, but most of my saved messages are from servers that no longer exist. All I have of them is the locally stored <a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/tags/maildir" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>maildir</span></a> files, sorted into "local folders" beyond the original server file structure. </p><p>Looks like <a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/tags/Vivaldi" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Vivaldi</span></a> could import whatever is on the four current servers. But I'm not seeing a way to include the "local files" history...</p>
LorenAmelang<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/@jon" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>jon</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/@Vivaldi" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Vivaldi</span></a></span> </p><p><a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/tags/Maildir" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Maildir</span></a> was designed by Daniel J. Bernstein circa 1995. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maildir" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maildir</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p><p>I've used it since 2010 when Eudora sort of faded away. There were tools to migrate to Maildir... I now have about 20,000 messages organized into a hierarchy of folders. </p><p><a href="https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/maildir-thunderbird" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/m</span><span class="invisible">aildir-thunderbird</span></a><br><a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/tags/Thunderbird" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Thunderbird</span></a> maildir is "disabled by default because there are still many bugs. It is not 100% ready for users." For one, many of the file names begin with long opaque numbers rather than the mail Subject. </p><p>But at least I can search content with any file search app, and move messages to my choice of folders and backup strategies. While still having the whole message history backed up in a single ~100MB SQLite3 db file. </p><p>This seems to have lost attention:<br><a href="https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/67416/import-for-maildir-format" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">forum.vivaldi.net/topic/67416/</span><span class="invisible">import-for-maildir-format</span></a></p><p>No mention of maildir:<br><a href="https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/71122/import-and-export-of-mail-messages" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">forum.vivaldi.net/topic/71122/</span><span class="invisible">import-and-export-of-mail-messages</span></a></p><p>Current discussion:<br><a href="https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/94826/local-email-folder" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">forum.vivaldi.net/topic/94826/</span><span class="invisible">local-email-folder</span></a></p><p>"Mails in <a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/tags/M3" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>M3</span></a> are not really moved, they change only the view.<br>You cant add folders to such an account.<br>You can use custom folders in IMAP accounts but the idea behind M3 is not to use folders at all."</p><p>Doesn't seem very compatible...</p>
LorenAmelang<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/@jon" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>jon</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/@Vivaldi" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Vivaldi</span></a></span> Probably a niche concern, but I love the <a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/tags/maildir" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>maildir</span></a> "separate file per message" format. I can sort, search, and archive the mail in ways a giant database file doesn't allow. So <a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/tags/Thunderbird" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Thunderbird</span></a> !</p>
LisPi<p>Regarding <a href="https://mastodon.top/tags/email" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>email</span></a>, screw the old <a href="https://mastodon.top/tags/filesystem" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>filesystem</span></a>-centric non <a href="https://mastodon.top/tags/transactional" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>transactional</span></a> approach btw.</p><p>Both <a href="https://mastodon.top/tags/mbox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>mbox</span></a> and <a href="https://mastodon.top/tags/maildir" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>maildir</span></a> suck.</p><p>Program crashed while you were modifying a mail? Who knows what the on-disk file looks like now. You had it git-versioned? Good. If all goes well and git or the computer itself doesn't crash while updating things, that might be enough.</p><p>Even key-value <a href="https://mastodon.top/tags/databases" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>databases</span></a> like <a href="https://mastodon.top/tags/BerkeleyDB" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BerkeleyDB</span></a> do it better, and they did so before <a href="https://mastodon.top/tags/SQLite" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SQLite</span></a> even existed.</p><p>So why can't I have tools using DBs?</p>
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