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“Nice people made the best Nazis. My mom grew up next to them. They got along, refused to make waves, looked the other way when things got ugly and focused on happier things than “politics.” They were lovely people who turned their heads as their neighbors were dragged away. You know who weren’t nice people? Resisters.”
– Naomi Shulman
@aral It's a great quote in a way, but lately I don't know if people can tell who the bad guys are anymore. A lot of the left is worshipping the Russians and siding with nazis. The communists are also siding with nazis. I don't know if we have people with enough information to resist. Resisters too are wanting authoritarian governments.
@wasootch
Who / what do you see as the issue here? Aside from some misguided tankies my lived experience doesn't really line up with what you're saying here*.
*unless you're referring to largely ignoring and refusing to undertake voluntary precautions to mitigate the still very much ongoing pandemic in which case yes, that pretty much seems like a huge universal blind spot across all political lines right now.
@mnemonicoverload @aral Try being strongly pro-Ukraine for a while and you'll definitely see it. Not here really although there are a few tankies from time to time that have harassed me. But on other platforms the pro-Russia group is the weirdest group I've ever experienced. And I see a lot of admiration of authoritarians in the left. Part of it is trying to understand if these people are real or troll farm accounts.
@wasootch @mnemonicoverload @aral I have experienced the same issue but in reverse I suppose. Most people who mention ukraine, at least localized in my scandinavian country, are often nationalists. They are not leftists or progressives, even on surface level. It gets even worse when you ask the same people if they think palestinians deserve soverignty and to not be bombed. I have not really experienced pro-palestinians being anti-ukraine.
@wasootch @mnemonicoverload @aral I have to mention that I know that the vast majority of the nationalists subjects here obviously do not care about ukraine at all (unlike you), and only fear for their own nation, with their idea of russia being entirely based on cold war era vibes. Being pro-ukraine should not be considered fascist at all. You just also have to be consistent in your support of human rights if you want to be taken seriously.
@wasootch @mnemonicoverload @aral there is something to be said, maybe, about how leftists *should* be more vocal in their support of ukraine, but I’m not sure what that looks like when russia is already embargoed. This, while our own nations are constantly supplying Israel with weapons that are consistently used to level hospitals, and make it illegal to support the palestinian people in the streets. And just to look like we are bipartisan with nazis?