Bluesky says that: “Never lose access to your followers or data.”
However, I don’t think that’s true. Can someone confirm?
Even in a scenario where there are multiple Relay/AppView/Labeler services, if you move to a different service:
• You can only follow a user if their PDS is crawled by your service.
• A user can only follow you if your PDS is crawled by their service.
@rauschma bluesky is broken by design. it only purpose is to subvert the fediverse. to sell a narrative and dont delive it so you can later capture and monetize.
bluesky will enshittify and is a lesson to those who are still to naive despite the obvious facts.
some ppl only learn when life teaches lessons, but we can spread the news so some can wake up before they sink more time into those dead ends
@serapath From what I know about Bluesky’s team, I believe that their intentions are good.
But, eventually, they’ll have to make money.
Upside: People have moved once (from Twitter to Bluesky). Moving again is going to be much easier and the Fediverse isn’t going anywhere.
Potential downside of ActivityPub: I don’t know how well it scales—e.g., could it handle Taylor Swift?
Update (see reply): Yes it could.
>I’m curious: Could AP handle (e.g.) Taylor Swift joining the Fediverse?
Yes.
Today there are ~30000 servers in Fediverse, so to deliver a message to everyone via shared inboxes the server just needs to make 30000 HTTP requests. This is not much, even if account makes dozens of posts per day.
The total number of servers is going to increase, but it will probably plateau somewhere between 100k and 1m.
@silverpill That makes sense! Per-server caching significantly lessens the load.
One remaining challenge is replies, profile data etc. being incomplete and/or out of date (you are working on that, IIRC). Thanks to per-server caching that shouldn’t cause too much additional traffic.
@silverpill The more I read up on Bluesky’s complaints (*) about ActivityPub, the more I prefer AP’s design:
* No global aggregation: fixed via https://www.fediscovery.org
* Account portability: IINM, identity could be separate from server in AP (e.g. via DNS entries).
* Hosting of “viral” content is expensive: I was worried about that one but, given your explanation, it seems manageable.
OTOH, AP is really good at hosting small communities and preventing lock-in.
@rauschma Replies can be synchronized between servers, but most people probably don't want to see all replies, I think small servers may choose to pull only most popular ones. We can also make various optimizations, such as activity batching (currently AP servers make a separate HTTP request for each activity delivery).
@silverpill Right. Paging replies is useful both for people and servers. Users may want to choose between: Show me the most popular replies first, or the oldest ones or the newest ones.
@silverpill @rauschma i think p2p can scale beyond that and bitcoin proves it.
every feed is like a torrent and torrent scales. the more peers, the better the distribution and availability.
tailor swift feed would be like a hollywood blockbuster movie in pirating times... its available for sure ...sadly
@rauschma from what i know, i believe they have bad intentions.
they want fame and money foremost and a nice image and dont care otherwise.
i saw that with beaker browser and i saw it with others on the team working for who offers he monies. ...sure there are worse folks? but thats why things work so well. the folks working for bluesky have this "nice image" and are willing to collude, thus - why its working for them and investors.
...the worst
@rauschma if it cant handle taylor swift fame, thats a feature.
its bots. its not natural. pop culture is abusive as can be learned often times. the industry wears out a lot of those "stars" and the scandal rate is by far the highest as well.
Other than that, fediverse is already problematic when we instead could have p2p and a relay architecture like nostr, but thats where ppl shpuld move from mastodon instead of backwarda to the worse bluesky...