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@Moosader yes! ha ha ha! yes! back in school I always felt like the professors weren't creative enough with their weedout courses

@aeva I'm not trying to weed them out I feel like I'm fighting the constant abstraction of software hiding how everything works so they're not learning Computer Science, especially when other teachers have them coding inside their ZyBooks web textbook and not in a real IDE.

@aeva they can barely navigate the filesystem or know what a file or folder is. At least the ones I have to help a lot.

@Moosader @aeva and I think we should be clear that this *isn't their fault* - modern OS design tries to hide "where things are" from the user as much as possible via prominent search, "favourite/recent items" lists and so on. We explicitly spend half of our first lab of 6 just working on "where are things on a computer and how do you navigate this thing" for a reason.