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@Moosader yes! ha ha ha! yes! back in school I always felt like the professors weren't creative enough with their weedout courses

@aeva I'm not trying to weed them out I feel like I'm fighting the constant abstraction of software hiding how everything works so they're not learning Computer Science, especially when other teachers have them coding inside their ZyBooks web textbook and not in a real IDE.

@aeva they can barely navigate the filesystem or know what a file or folder is. At least the ones I have to help a lot.

@Moosader I can't decide if I should be horrified for the future or giddy about my job security in the coming decades

@Moosader or is this like just the freshmen o_o

@aeva well another CS200 teacher is having them code in the textbook. Then they get to my CS235 or CS250 then I gotta cover all the basics for THEM, too.